Your baby’s eczema and probiotic PCC®

Your baby’s eczema and probiotic PCC®

The Bioxyne Team8 comments

Colin Maynard

Atopic dermatitis (AD), also known as eczema, is a common inflammatory skin disease affecting 10% of the population.

Eczema has a negative impact on quality of life; visual issues aside, it can be uncomfortably itchy and sore.

The first signs of atopic dermatitis usually appear early in life, from about six months of age, and often precede other allergic diseases such as asthma or allergic rhinitis. The majority of cases (at least 60%) arise within the first year of life.

The symptoms in young children are characterised by dry and scaly patches on the scalp, forehead, and face. These patches are very common on the cheeks.

A clinical study has shown that the probiotic Lactobacillus fermentumVRI-003 (otherwise known as Bioxyne’s PCC®) may alleviate the symptoms of eczema in infants.

Notably, the improvement in symptom severity with PCC® treatment was still evident two months after the treatment stopped.In a follow up scientific study, this was shown to be associated with the ability of PCC® to activate and boost the body’s immune response.

Bioxyne’s Chief Scientific Officer Dr Peter French reviews the findings of these studies in the White Paper: Probiotics in the treatment of atopic dermatitis

Read more about each of the two studies:

Effects of probiotics on atopic dermatitis

Clinical effects of probiotics are associated with increased interferon-g responses in very young children with atopic dermatitis.


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Probiotic clinical trial reports Lactobacillus fermentum VRI-003 helps reduce gas and bloating

Probiotic clinical trial reports Lactobacillus fermentum VRI-003 helps reduce gas and bloating

The Bioxyne Team8179 comments

Australian life sciences company Bioxyne today announces positive results from its Australian clinical trial into the effects of taking a daily probiotic supplement containing the bacteria strain Lactobacillus fermentum VRI-003, with participants who consumed the probiotic reporting a consistent reduction in gas and bloating compared to those on placebo.

Women appeared to benefit more from taking the probiotic than men.

Lactobacillus fermentum VRI-003 has been shown in laboratory studies to inhibit the growth of a range of "unfriendly" microbes, including enterotoxigenic E. coliSalmonella, and Clostridiumv1, which are some of the major organisms responsible for food poisoning and traveller’s diarrhoea. This latest clinical trial indicates it can help reduce gas and bloating when consumed daily, particularly in women, and may therefore be effective in providing symptomatic relief in some cases of gut microbiome dysbiosis disorders.

The double blind, randomised, placebo-controlled clinical trial examined the effect of taking Lactobacillus fermentum VRI-003 (minimum of 2 billion cfus) for six months on the microbiome composition, gut health and quality of life of healthy participants. A total of 47 participants completed the study, with an average age of 35 and an almost even split of men and women.

While the study associated a range of health benefits with taking 2 billion CFU of Lactobacillus fermentum VRI-003, including less antibiotic use, the most notable impact was in relation to the reduction of gas, bloating and general stomach rumbling.

Commenting on the results, Bioxyne’s scientific advisor, cell and molecular biologist Dr Peter French, PhD, said:

“Your gut microbiome is very important for gut health. It can be disrupted by a range of things, including antibiotic use, stress, travel and a poor diet. It’s recognised that gas and bloating can be signs of an unbalanced gut microbiome, which is why we asked the trial participants to report these, amongst other symptoms, during the six-month trial.

“The participants who took the probiotic on a daily basis reported consistently lower incidence of both gas and bloating starting from around six weeks. There was also a consistently lower incidence of stomach rumbling. The women in the study appeared to benefit more from the probiotic treatment – it is recognised that probiotics can affect women and men differently due to sex hormones.

“I would suggest health practitioners working with patients where they suspect symptoms are caused by gut microbiome dysbiosis consider whether supplementation with Lactobacillus fermentum VRI-003 may be appropriate.”

Trial participants were also asked to provide three stool samples for 16S RNA microbiome analysis - one prior to commencing the trial, one at 3 months and the last at 6 months, using a dedicated sample collection kit. In addition, they were asked to complete a daily diary recording gastrointestinal symptoms and bowel movements, a validated quality of life questionnaire (SF36), and a record of any adverse effects. No probiotic-associated adverse effects were reported, and no gross global change was seen in the overall composition of the gut microbiome.

“The lack of significant changes at the phylum or genus level on the microbiome composition in the trial is consistent with previous studies of other probiotic organisms. It is likely that the beneficial effect of Lactobacillus fermentum VRI-003 is due to effects on a small number of key friendly and unfriendly species or strains of gut microbes, as has been seen in laboratory studies of this organism. An effect on specific strains could explain the beneficial effects on some self-reported gut symptoms seen in the trial,” Dr French said.

More about this trial

More about Lactobacillus fermentum VRI-003

The efficacy and safety of Lactobacillus fermentum VRI-003 has been demonstrated by scientific and clinical trials including double-blind, randomized studies with more than 200 people.

In clinical trials, Lactobacillus fermentum VRI-003 has demonstrated positive effects on the gastrointestinal and immune systems, including reduced susceptibility to respiratory tract infections, improvement in eczema (atopic dermatitis) symptoms, and boosting of the immune response to the flu vaccine2.

Lactobacillus fermentum VRI-003 is of human origin, exhibits superior survival to other probiotics in the acidic (pH 2-4) environment found in the stomach and large intestine, colonises the human intestinal tract and stimulates the areas of immune tissue in the small intestine2.

Bioxyne has trademarked Lactobacillus fermentum VRI-003 ‘PCC’. Read Why PCC.

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How probiotics are named

How probiotics are named

The Bioxyne Team13 comments

Alona Kraft

There are over 120 different species of Lactobacillus. The most famous ones are Lactobacillus acidophilus, Lactobacillus casei, Lactobacillus reuteri and Lactobacillus fermentum. (We italicise their names as a scientific convention, for some reason).

In each species there are thousands of individual members referred to as “strains”. A bacterial strain has its strain name after the species name. So, Bioxyne’s probiotic is a strain of the Lactobacillus fermentum species. The strain is VRI-003, so its full name is Lactobacillus fermentum VRI-003.

To understand the relationship between a species and its strains, think about us humans. All seven billion of us on Earth are members of the Homo sapiens species. But we are all individually different, and are good at different things. The same is true with Lactobacillus acidophilus, and all the other Lactobacillus species. Some are really good for our health, and some aren’t. Just because you are a human doesn’t mean you can paint like Vincent van Gogh, or sing like Adele, or dance like Fred Astaire, right? Individual members of the human species have different talents and abilities. So it is with probiotics.

You can’t tell what the talents of a probiotic bacterial strain are by looking at it (under a microscope). Scientists have to test them in the lab and in people, before they can know whether they are going to be useful for health, or not. Many are useless. However, some are very useful.

Can it do the job? Checking the resume of a probiotic

In applying for a job, people prepare a resume. You wouldn’t employ someone who just walked in off the street without interviewing them or looking at their resume to see if they had the right qualifications or experience first, would you? Similarly, you shouldn’t buy a probiotic product without checking out the resume of the bacteria first.

Here are the things you should look for on a probiotic’s resume:

  • Name: What is the species and strain name? If it doesn’t have a strain name, you don’t know which of the thousands of possible members of that species are in the bottle
  • Where it comes from: For human health you want to have a probiotic that comes from a human (rather than from a cow or a plant) 
  • How it performs under stress: Look for evidence that it can get through the stomach acid and bile,and remain alive and kicking
  • It doesn’t have a criminal record: Check that it doesn’t cause disease when consumed
  • Has a track record and list of achievements:
    • Sticks to the walls of the intestinal tract
    • Is able to get rid of“bad” bacteria in the GI tract
    • Is able to demonstrate its health benefit credentials in clinical trials

Bioxyne’s patented probiotic Lactobacillus fermentum VRI-003 (or PCC® for short – PCC® stands for patented clinical culture) meets all these criteria – see the resume below.

That’s why we have selected PCC® as the key ingredient in our range of PCC® products for gastrointestinal and immune health.

This was part two of a four-part series about what probiotics are and why they’re good for you. Next up is ‘How probiotics work’, followed by ‘How to take your probiotics’.

Read part one: What are probiotics?


Name: Lactobacillus fermentum VRI-003

Nickname: PCC®

Origin: A human with robust gastrointestinal health

Career Objective: To boost gut and immune health of adults and infants through daily dosing of clinically trialled doses of PCC®.


University of New South Wales:

  • Certificate of High Survival in Stomach Acid and Bile
  • Certificate of Inhibition of Gastrointestinal Pathogens
  • Certificate of Binding to the Intestinal tract

Previous Experience in Humans:

2005: Clinical trial of PCC® showing improvement in symptoms of moderate to severe atopic dermatitis in infants

2008: Clinical trial of PCC® showing reduction in symptoms of respiratory tract infections in elite male athletes

2009: Clinical trial of PCC® showing boost in the immune response to the flu vaccine

2011: Clinical trial of PCC® showing reduction in symptoms of respiratory tract infections in elite male athletes

All of these trials confirmed that PCC® is safe for children and adults

Current Experience in Humans:

2016- present: Clinical trial of effect of PCC® on the gut microbiome of healthy adults

Current Employment:

  • Bioxyne Limited. Active ingredient in:
    • proTract® for Atopic Dermatitis
    • Progastrim® for gut health, and
    • Progastrim® + Vitamin C for colds
  • Pharmanex (NuSkin). Active ingredient in:
    • ProBioPCC

Contact details:


Dr Peter French, Director of Science, Bioxyne Limited, Sydney


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Compelling research suggests the right probiotics can improve leaky gut

Compelling research suggests the right probiotics can improve leaky gut

Dr Peter French2 comments

A multi-member European research group has proposed a mechanism whereby probiotics can have a beneficial effect on a range of diseases, including obesity and diabetes, necrotising enterocolitis, irritable bowel syndrome (IBS), inflammatory bowel disease (IBD) and possibly allergy. They cite evidence that probiotics can stabilise a person’s intestinal barrier integrity. Many diseases are characterised by ‘leaky gut syndrome’, including those described above, as well as chronic kidney disease.

The study was published on line in the British Journal of Nutrition on the 19th January 2017 (DOI:

In our intestinal tract, only a single layer of cells (called epithelial, or skin cells) forms the physical barrier between the intestinal contents and the underlying blood vessels and immune system. Therefore it is essential to health and well-being that this intestinal barrier is maintained. There are a number of systems that are designed to preserve the barrier integrity including secretion of mucus, antibodies and other proteins by the epithelial cells. In addition, the epithelial cells grip each other tightly using structures called “epithelial tight junctions” that stop bacteria and toxins getting through the barrier, between the cells. Also, the body’s “good” bacteria provide a defence against “bad” or pathogenic bacteria getting to the epithelial cells that form the barrier, and attacking them. When these systems fail, however, the barrier stops being effective, and toxins, pathogens and other undesirable chemicals and molecules can pass from the gut into the surrounding tissues and blood vessels, stimulating an inflammatory response and leading to a disturbance of the body’s immune system and functions. Therefore leaky gut syndrome underlies many diseases.

The authors reviewed a number of clinical and pre-clinical studies and concluded that, “a variety of studies imply that mucosal barrier function can be improved by probiotic treatment,” and therefore could have a beneficial impact on many diseases such as diabetes, obesity, IBS, IBD and possibly allergy (and others) that have as their underlying cause a faulty intestinal epithelial barrier. They called for more clinical studies in disease populations specifically looking for markers of improvement in epithelial barrier integrity.

This study adds to the growing body of knowledge regarding the potential wide- ranging health benefits of consuming clinically tested probiotics that show health benefits. But, the authors caution, not all probiotics work, or work the same way.


  • Bron PA, Kleerebezem M, Brummer R-J, Cani PD. “Can probiotics modulate human disease by impacting intestinal barrier function?” Br J Nutr 2017; 19:1-15.
  • Evenepoel P, Poesen R, Meijers B. The gut-kidney axis. Pediatr Nephrol 2016; doi: 10.1007/s00467-016-3527-x

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Odette Blacklock on finding her way to health and fitness

Odette Blacklock on finding her way to health and fitness

The Bioxyne Team4 comments

If Bioxyne affiliated practitioner Odette Blacklock looks familiar, it’s likely because 2017 saw the health and fitness specialist gracing our TVs as a Survivor Australia castaway. An almost all-encompassing expert when it comes to movement, Odette’s list of credentials covers podiatry, running, personal training and pilates. Odette also recently celebrated being appointed head coach and program director of Virgin Active’s new outdoor running program.

Odette took time out for her insanely busy schedule to talk to us about her own wellbeing rituals and how she factors gut health into her overall health regimes.

Learn more about the benefits of becoming a Bioxyne affiliated practitioner.


How long have you been a health practitioner for?

I have been in the health and fitness industry as a personal trainer and pilates instructor for over 10 years. Recently graduating from a Masters in Podiatrist Medicine, I have been practicing in my clinic for almost two years. Because of my expertise in gait mechanics, I am the head coach and program director of Virgin Actives new Outdoor running program.

Where does your interest in health and wellbeing originate?

It originates from my own personal experience with depression. After having my son I fell into unhealthy habits. The only thing that felt most accessible to me was running. This gave me the momentum to fix other areas of my life including diet, I then endeavoured to learn more about health and fitness by doing my personal training certificate, which lead me to doing my bachelors of health science and later my Masters in Podiatrist Medicine. I am always constantly learning and growing in this area, and my passion lies in being able to educate and teach people on how to improve their health and love their bodies.

What have been your career highlights and what are you working on at the moment?

After graduating with my Masters in 2016, I was lucky enough to be 1 of 2 Australians chosen to run in Death Valley for Under Armours Run Camp.  This run made me redefine my own mental toughness, whilst showing me how far I have come on my journey. The following year I applied for Australian Survivor season 2 and stepped foot on the island a few months later, to learn yet again how mentally tough you have to be to survive. Being on the island allowed me to put life in perspective and find clarity for the future. I realised how much running had changed my life, so I founded Urban Run Club, and it quickly took off. This run group and my unique methods of training runners captured the attention of Virgin Active. A position has been created in the company and I am now head coach of my own program written and directed by me. I absolutely love the fact that I can bring running to a bigger audience.

Is there one piece of wellbeing advice you consistently find you give to your clients?

The hardest part is turning up- just make the effort to turn up consistently. Whether it’s two minutes of exercise or two hours, every bit gets added to the bank.

Do you have any wellbeing rituals you practice at home?

Cold showers and meditation. The mind is important to look after and these two practices allow me to be in the present moment and clam my thoughts. I also love a glass of wine and a Ted Talk ;)

How do you take care of your own gut health?

I obviously use a probiotic daily, and since using Bioxyne probiotics for myself and my son, we have not been sick once. I also make sure I feed my gut an array of vegetables and good fibre for the probiotics to eat and serve their purpose in the lower GI tract.

What do you see as the role of probiotics to health and wellbeing?

Our gut microbiome has over 100 trillion microbial cells compared to our 10 trillion human cells. So when these cells communicate they have a tremendous impact on our health.  Numerous scientific studies have proven the beneficial effects of taking a high quality probiotic supplement, linking probiotics to weight management, higher energy levels, mental clarity and a stronger immune system.

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The Importance of Knowing That Your Probiotic Is What It Says It Is

The Importance of Knowing That Your Probiotic Is What It Says It Is

Dr Peter French1 comment

In January 2018, Professor Claudio de Simone published a paper in the journal “Clinical Gastroenterology and Hepatology” in which he sent a warning about many of the commercial probiotics on the market. In the paper, entitled “The unregulated probiotic market”, Professor de Simone, who is an internationally recognised leader in the field of probiotics and the human gut microflora, stated:

“Many properties of probiotics are strain-specific, and safety and efficacy findings associated to specific formulations should not be generalised to other probiotic products.” This is crucial, because we at Bioxyne Limited know that not all probiotics provide a health benefit. We have undertaken several clinical studies to show that the specific strain in Progastrim®, PCC®, is highly effective at boosting gut and immune health.

Professor de Simone went on to say: “Manufacturing processes, conditions and ingredients are important determinants of product characteristics and changes to manufacturing are likely to give rise to a product not identical to the "original" in efficacy and safety if proper measures and controls are not taken.”

Bioxyne’s probiotic products are manufactured to the highest standards by world-leading probiotic manufacturer Chr Hansn, based in Denmark. This ensures that each batch of PCC® is the same consistent quality.

Professor de Simone concluded: “These regulatory deficits may have serious consequences for patients where probiotics are used as part of clinical guideline-recommended management of serious conditions such as inflammatory bowel diseases, and may make doctors liable for prescribing a formulation not previously tested for safety and efficacy.”

Bioxyne’s dedication to clinical studies, manufacturing stringency and quality control ensures that consumers, patients and doctors alike can be confident that Progastrim®, does what it says it does in boosting gut and immune health.

de Simone C. Clin Gastroenterol Hepatol. 2018 Jan 25. pii: S1542-3565 (18) 30084-3. doi: 10.1016/j.cgh.2018.01.018.

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Lee Holmes: How I take care of my own gut

Lee Holmes: How I take care of my own gut

The Bioxyne Team

Bioxyne affiliated practitioner Lee Holmes has an impressive list of health-related titles to her name; she’s certified health and wellness coach, whole foods chef, hatha yoga teacher, author, blogger and holistic nutritionist. What’s even more impressive is that in the five years since Lee started practicing, she’s become something of a household name within the Australian wellbeing space. A great portion of her work is focused on gut health.

Learn more about the benefits of becoming an affiliated practitioner

Where does your interest in health and wellbeing originate from?

After being diagnosed with an autoimmune disease and fibromyalgia a few years ago, I became accustomed to feelings of lethargy, pain and inflammation. I was prescribed to a cocktail of foreign chemicals and medications, which I was told, were going to help heal me. While the antibiotics did help ease some of my symptoms, I knew there was something deeper that I had to explore. This sparked my interest in health and wellbeing. I started researching all about health and the gut, writing down my own ideas and creating recipes that aligned with my new-found knowledge. This then lead to the creation of my blog, and got me to where I am today!

What have been your career highlights and what are you working on at the moment?

One of my biggest career highlights is the moment that I found out that my book, Heal Your Gut, was on its tenth print-run. I can’t describe how amazing it feels to have a book you’ve worked so hard on be so loved, useful and cherished by other people.

Another career highlight was creating my own products! I love the idea of a daily way to look after your gut, which led me to producing both my own Love Your Gut powder and Golden Gut Blend!

Finally, releasing my two gut healing programs – the Four-Week Heal Your Gut Program and my Love Your Gut bi-weekly program was a huge highlight for me.

Currently, I’m working on releasing my latest book, Supercharge Your Gut and other gut-loving powders! 2018 is shaping up to be a huge year for me and I can’t wait to see what else unfolds.

Is there one piece of wellbeing advice you consistently find you give to your clients?

Don’t overcomplicate it! Please don’t take on every single health tip you read, you’re more likely to regress and burn out. You don’t need every superfood on the planet to make you healthy, just eat real and whole foods.

Do you have any wellbeing rituals you practice at home?

Yes, I love sticking to my rituals! In the morning, I always take a glass of warm lemon water with my Love Your Gut powder. Then it’s time to move! I either head out the door for my morning walk or walk up to the gym depending on my mood.

This may not be a wellbeing ritual, but the one thing that truly motivates me to get home after my exercise is the thought of my frothy, home-made chai. Delicious.

In terms of night-time rituals, there’s nothing I love more than putting some Epsom salts in a bath, applying my Earth, Mask & Scrub and just relaxing! It’s so important to take care of ourselves every single day.

How do you take care of your own gut health?

I give my gut time to heal. As a result of all the toxins we ingest, foods we eat and chemicals we consume on a daily basis, the least our gut deserves is to rest. I let my gut rest by following an intermittent fasting regime. This doesn’t mean no food at all but rather, restricted calories over a short period of time. I recommend 500 calories per day for females and 600 calories per day for men two days a week. It’s the perfect time to let both you and your gut rest and digest. You can read more about intermittent fasting in my book Fast Your Way to Wellness.

What do you see as the role of probiotics in health and wellbeing?

Probiotics have been used for centuries to treat a variety of bowel conditions including constipation, diarrhoea and irritable bowel disease. Probiotics balance our microflora which in turn, helps support positive moods, boost energy and help produce other essential nutrients. They basically help the health world go-round.

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The gut and hypertension - how probiotics can help

The gut and hypertension - how probiotics can help

Dr Peter French2 comments


In studies published in 2015 and recently (October 31, 2016), researchers at the University of Florida in the United States reported on the role that probiotics could play in reducing elevated blood pressure1,2.

It is well accepted that the gut microbiota (the trillions of bacteria, both good and bad, that live in your gastrointestinal tract) plays an important role in supporting and maintain a healthy immune system. In fact, the GI tract is commonly referred to as an essential acquired organ because its composition and richness are constantly adapting to the challenges presented by the environment or by the host, such as age, diet, lifestyle modifications and disease states.

Changes in gut microbiota have been related to chronic inflammatory diseases, such as asthma, eczema, allergies, inflammatory bowel disease, and infectious diseases.

 However, the researchers found data from clinical trials to suggest that the gut microbiota may also play a role in the development and maintenance of heart disease and metabolic disorders including obesity, diabetes, and metabolic syndrome.

 Adult gut microbiota is diverse; it is made up of trillions of microorganisms but a delicate balance in its composition is key in maintaining good health; any disruption of this balance could lead to devastating physiological consequences.

 They quoted the work of a group3 who in 2014 looked at several clinical trials that have been conducted over the past few years examining the effect of consumption of probiotics on blood pressure. Their combined analysis of nine randomized clinical trials with 543 participants in total showed a significant decrease in both systolic and diastolic blood pressure in patients who consumed a daily dose of live probiotic organisms. This evidence indirectly suggests that gut microbiota may play a key role in the control of blood pressure and that any change in microbiota composition or imbalance may potentially result in hypertension.

 Furthermore, the researchers went on to conduct their own study, and their results were consistent with previous clinical studies, showing that a shift in the gut microbiota was associated with higher blood pressure.

 In a recent study (October 2016) the researchers concluded that a dysfunctional gut microbiota is associated with gut pathology, dysbiosis, and inflammation, and plays a key role in hypertension. “Thus, targeting of gut microbiota by innovative probiotics, antibiotics, and fecal transplant, in combination with current pharmacotherapy, may be a novel strategy for hypertension treatment.”

  • Yang T. et al., Gut dysbiosis is linked to hypertension. Hypertension 2015; 65:1331-1340
  • Santisteban MM, et al., Hypertension-linked pathophysiological alterations in the gut. Circ Res 2016 Oct 31.
  • Khalesi S, Sun J, Buys N, Jayasinghe R. Effect of probiotics on blood pressure. A systematic review and meta-analysis of randomized, controlled trials. Hypertension 2014; 64:897-903

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Could Bad Gut Health Be Causing These Common Health Issues?

Could Bad Gut Health Be Causing These Common Health Issues?

The Bioxyne Team

The connection between digestive issues and the gut microbiome is now well understood by consumers, but what many people don’t know is that gut health is connected to a host of other common ailments.

Fashion, beauty and lifestyle blog See.Need.Want recently interviewed Bioxyne’s Chief Scientist Dr Peter French, who has studied the connection between the microbiome and immune health since 2002.

In this detailed interview, Peter explains the importance of maintaining gut health, how gut bacteria affects the immune system and mental health, and what we know about how PCC (Lactobacillus fermentumVRI-003) affects all these things.

“PCC® has been shown to be effective at inhibiting a range of pathogenic bacteria in the laboratory, and to boost immune and gut health in clinical studies,” Peter told See.Need.Want editor Rosie McKay. “Given the clear connection between the gut and the brain, PCC® is likely to have a positive effect on the function of both.”

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Hay fever and PCC®

Hay fever and PCC®

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Olia Gozha

With Spring on the way, while most of us look forward to warmer weather and longer days, those of us who suffer from severe symptoms of hay fever are less excited. Many dread the onset of itchy eyes, runny noses and constant sneezing. Some turn to over the counter drugs to dry up their symptoms. But there may be a better way.

With the increased knowledge that out gut microbiome is critical for a range of health conditions, including our immune system, researchers have focused on the use of probiotics – good bacteria – to assist with our gut and immune health. And now there is evidence that probiotics could alleviate the symptoms of hay fever. There are at least 18 studies that show that some probiotics can produce a significant improvement in symptoms and quality of life in hay fever sufferers. How they do this appears to be by boosting what is called the Th1 immune response.

A clinical study on babies with moderate to severe eczema, which, like hay fever is a response to an environmental allergen, showed that Bioxyne’s probiotic, called PCC® (A Lactobacillus strain) boosted the Th1 immune response and significantly improved the symptoms of eczema in comparison to a placebo control.

PCC® therefore is likely to have a similar effect on hay fever symptoms. And it has been shown to boost gut health as well! You don’t get that benefit with the OTC hay fever drugs!


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